isnt the 1 hd useless? creatures with 1 hd lose it when they take a class level. --NameViolation 19:40, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Indeed they do. - TarkisFlux 20:33, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
So shouldn't they just be a LA +1? since the HD is there to offset power, but since it goes away its pointless. I mean that this is too awesome for a no LA race --NameViolation 18:20, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
I think the intent is to give them the awesome as well as a HD for a more functional LA +1 (since regular LA sucks), it's just not the way the base rules work :-(. - TarkisFlux 18:25, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
You could move some of the abilities to a racial paragon class, and make taking a level in the paragon mandatory. --IGTN 19:32, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
Or give them an extra racial hit die so it becomes 2RHD. Which is a much better substitute for LA +1. --TK 10:09, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
Okay, technically the race have 2 RHD, I just didn't calculated the first because it would be replaced by a class level anyway, it seem it wasn't clear enough so I guess I should add it. --Leziad 20:17, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
Actually, if you give them 2 they don't lose one to a class level. So you can have a race with 2 HD and add class levels on top of that, or you can have a race with 1 HD that loses it to gain a class level, but you can't have a race with 1 HD and class levels on top of that. Unless you want to write an exception to the rules. - TarkisFlux 20:21, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm I see, well I guess I pump their racial abilities a little to fit 2 RHD. --Leziad 20:27, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
Just thought of this actually, but you could also give them 0 HD, LA +1, and just give out all of the 1HD things as "bonuses". So they get 4 bonus hit points, +1 bonuses on a bunch of skills, a +2 bonus on will saves, etc. Just don't do any of the level 1 max hp or skill multiplying stuff since they'll be getting those with level 1 in a class and you'll be fine. - TarkisFlux 20:45, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
Anyone care to touch on the net +12 to ability scores and +0LA? anyone? Skizzlefrits 20:56, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
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