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Rating System

I would like to suggest a rating system for optimized builds, so viewers can get a feel for how powerful each build is. Things to considered would be DPR, AC, and average HP and saves, just to start. Criteria would be altered slightly to take into account what role the build would play in the party (Example: Defenders would be judged more on defense and ability to keep the monsters attention, while strikers would be graded more on DPR).

If anything, I would like to see a minimum requirements section for optimized builds, listing the standards for what is considered optimized. Again, this would be altered somewhat to take into account roles. While I know it will be difficult to judge exactly how a build is better than another, having minimum requirements will help new members see what we are looking for in optimized builds and gives us a set of standards to decide against for deletion.--SiraLinari 23:14, September 5, 2009 (UTC)

Just to get the ball rolling, I think a DPR of around 100-120 is the minimum for builds whose main focus is damage, though it might be much higher. That said, I think there should be at least 2 primary differentiations between builds; one for playable builds, where the character is made for play in an actual game, and the second being "theoretical" builds where the purpose is to showcase a mechanism of the system, such as the diplomancer, highest AC, highest Strength, and other world records. --Ghostwheel 02:40, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
Oops, I meant to reply to this earlier and forgot. I don't really like adding in such definite characteristics as DPR because even before you get to The Wish and the Word you get some of the most powerful classes and builds in the game not caring about damage at all. I think an attempt to define any universal traits is going to be met with failure and the best that can be done is a neutral one-or-two sentence description of what is going on. That said, I think a differentiation between "campaign smasher" and "not campaign smasher" is good. Surgo 02:44, September 7, 2009 (UTC)
A question, if someone has a build up and we see a way to improve it, is it constructive editing to do so as long as it doesn't take it out of its current category despite adding books? (SRD only, WotC material, 3rd Party material.) --Ghostwheel 02:51, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Nav Page Formatting and General Optimized Build Properties

Gonna clean up the nav page here in a bit, though it's mostly intact as is. The big thing that needs to be cleaned up are the properties. The Optimized Builds use 3.5e Summary, 3.5e Race, and 3.5e Final Class Progression as their properties, and while we probable need to hack the 3.5e part off (with one of Surgo's bots) that seems pretty good otherwise. Optimized builds can probably take on some of the other class properties (like Class Abilities and Class Ability Progression), but we probably don't want to put those in the nav page. Anyone want to add any searchable item to the nav page before I tweak it? - TarkisFlux 04:18, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

Searchable things: Role (Defender, Strike, Arcanist, Misc), High/Moderate or Low skill points, melee, ranged, spellcaster, damage-dealer, utility, buffer... Think that's about it, though more may come to mind. --Ghostwheel 04:21, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
If you really want to try to ascribe roles to these things, we can have them show up in the table on this page and be sortable. It's the easiest of your list aside from class abilities and progression (which covers spellcasting and other stuff). The rest seems pretty subjective to my eye or would already show up in the summary anyway (which I don't think we can make searchable on these pages, though it will be once some of the other semantic stuff is up). That sound reasonable, or I am not getting what you were thinkin about Ghost? - TarkisFlux 04:37, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
Hmmm... I guess a few of the builds (like the knightly charger) fill more than one role, so that doesn't really work. Eh, guess not really then *nod* --Ghostwheel 04:51, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
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